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07-12 04:57 PM
And also add the amount we are paying on regular basis to law firms to talking to their para legals, mental stress and percentage what contracting companies with hold along with amount we are losing because we are not in stable situation to invest in things like real estate.
I always has that question what is the real difference, hear people sayinig more taxes less salary and all that but don't know the actual difference yet.
Will appreciate if someone can shed more light or post a link.
I always has that question what is the real difference, hear people sayinig more taxes less salary and all that but don't know the actual difference yet.
Will appreciate if someone can shed more light or post a link.
swamy
12-13 01:14 PM
Here's the percentages of the top 10 populations of the world by nationality. How many of them are more than 7% ?
China 20.0 %
India 17.2 %
United States 4.6 %
Indonesia 3.4 %
Brazil 2.8 %
Pakistan 2.6 %
Nigeria 2.5 %
Russia 2.2 %
Bangladesh 2.1 %
Japan 2.0 %
Based on this one can conclude that the 7% nationality rule is a veiled effort to limit Indian and Chinese immigrants specifically. Does this not amount to discrimination by nationality ? In addition we as legal immigrants are taxed without any representation. Taxation without representation was the reason the US was created in the first place.
US history is full of examples where discrimination existed in one form or another and these discriminations were sucessfully challenged. A few examples are women's voting rights, minority voting rights and gerrymandering. These are good examples to study where the affected people had no legal voice to begin with.
The civil rights movement is a recent example. There were existing laws that limited people from voting based on their literacy levels in the southern states. The literacy requirement for voting was really a thinly veiled attempt to limit voting rights of african americans for as long as possible. The civil rights movement was about changing these artificial laws to give voting rights to people who legally had no voice.
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/intro/intro_c.htm
You don't need to be a lawyer to speak up for your hardships as a law abiding resident. This country has tremendous protections for people living here which is what makes it great. We as an immigrant community need to build our awareness of US history and government if we expect things to change.
I kind of agree. Sometimes laws are just thinly veiled attempts to discriminate and at other times they just didn't foresee it becoming discriminatory. Given the it was written by Sen. Kennedy, I doubt it was a deliberate attempt to choke Indians or anyother national. It was just a poorly thought out & unnecessary restriction. Even the ceiling was just to appease fearmongers. Given people wont be offered jobs if there aren't any, wheres the need for a ceiling if existing labor laws on bidding down wages are enforced(which are by the way). For two years in a row, H1 quota wasn't used precisely because of that. & if H1 is the first step, theres an even stronger argument for doing away with EB quotas- but given the current environment obviously fearmongers rule (so we're the one 'acquiescing' Lou). I think we should make the case but as Mark pointed out its costly and not the best strategy for us.
China 20.0 %
India 17.2 %
United States 4.6 %
Indonesia 3.4 %
Brazil 2.8 %
Pakistan 2.6 %
Nigeria 2.5 %
Russia 2.2 %
Bangladesh 2.1 %
Japan 2.0 %
Based on this one can conclude that the 7% nationality rule is a veiled effort to limit Indian and Chinese immigrants specifically. Does this not amount to discrimination by nationality ? In addition we as legal immigrants are taxed without any representation. Taxation without representation was the reason the US was created in the first place.
US history is full of examples where discrimination existed in one form or another and these discriminations were sucessfully challenged. A few examples are women's voting rights, minority voting rights and gerrymandering. These are good examples to study where the affected people had no legal voice to begin with.
The civil rights movement is a recent example. There were existing laws that limited people from voting based on their literacy levels in the southern states. The literacy requirement for voting was really a thinly veiled attempt to limit voting rights of african americans for as long as possible. The civil rights movement was about changing these artificial laws to give voting rights to people who legally had no voice.
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/intro/intro_c.htm
You don't need to be a lawyer to speak up for your hardships as a law abiding resident. This country has tremendous protections for people living here which is what makes it great. We as an immigrant community need to build our awareness of US history and government if we expect things to change.
I kind of agree. Sometimes laws are just thinly veiled attempts to discriminate and at other times they just didn't foresee it becoming discriminatory. Given the it was written by Sen. Kennedy, I doubt it was a deliberate attempt to choke Indians or anyother national. It was just a poorly thought out & unnecessary restriction. Even the ceiling was just to appease fearmongers. Given people wont be offered jobs if there aren't any, wheres the need for a ceiling if existing labor laws on bidding down wages are enforced(which are by the way). For two years in a row, H1 quota wasn't used precisely because of that. & if H1 is the first step, theres an even stronger argument for doing away with EB quotas- but given the current environment obviously fearmongers rule (so we're the one 'acquiescing' Lou). I think we should make the case but as Mark pointed out its costly and not the best strategy for us.
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02-12 12:09 PM
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NKR
02-16 02:26 PM
I beleive Kuhelica and bfadlia have been planted by anti-immigrants to spread poison and hate in people's mind. looking at the number of posts they have posted, it seems like they are new members who are out there to sabotage the reforms that we have been talking about.
We do not have to spend our energy and time answering each and every post of theirs. they do not deserve our time nor they are intelligent enough to rationalise.
I and a couple of us have been repeatedly telling that we do not want ROW people to be affected nor we want country quota to be removed, but they have been targetting our race, our country, it has jealously writ all over... Just ignore them and move on. the more forward we move the more backward they stay..
We do not have to spend our energy and time answering each and every post of theirs. they do not deserve our time nor they are intelligent enough to rationalise.
I and a couple of us have been repeatedly telling that we do not want ROW people to be affected nor we want country quota to be removed, but they have been targetting our race, our country, it has jealously writ all over... Just ignore them and move on. the more forward we move the more backward they stay..
gopinathan
07-28 10:59 AM
Jayleno - me thinking sane is the reason you didn't hear from me in any malls/WM :) but I was a minority in BWW who believes in waiting till you find like minded people who are looking. cold contacting is just going against human instincts. you can't simply talk to a person about something to get his phone number and call them about this business next day. that is a reg flag right there. i couldn't do it and hence not with this business anymore. many of us are not ready to think about making millions in few short years. some people need to understand that you can't rub that idea with force on another human being.
in BWW terms, i was a quitter who can't take the business to the next level because I was afraid of rejection (getting a NO from prospects)..
I think you are one of the most sane Amway guy I have heard from. Thanks for all the explanation. Now I know I have a problem with BWW and their approach not Amway. Looks like they are good brainbleachers.
in BWW terms, i was a quitter who can't take the business to the next level because I was afraid of rejection (getting a NO from prospects)..
I think you are one of the most sane Amway guy I have heard from. Thanks for all the explanation. Now I know I have a problem with BWW and their approach not Amway. Looks like they are good brainbleachers.
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_TrueFacts
09-04 08:08 PM
I spent almost an hr going through these massive 12 pages and concluded to support British's saying "Indians are dogs" and I want to add the following,
Kanaka
We are called dogs, because we discuss things, then what are we called if we don't and accept things in India as they are.
Kanaka
We are called dogs, because we discuss things, then what are we called if we don't and accept things in India as they are.
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Imigrait
06-16 04:53 PM
For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future. Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies. I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky".
Of course everyone who have worse qualifications(according to who??-> dilipcr ) are ordinary. Rest of the people are good. This is the same argument as "now that I have GC, let me come out and say retrogressions and less GCs are good, cuz I am qualified and I already have GC."
And yes I agree EB based GC is built by merit. Merit according to the employer who will keep paying the employee if the employee performs his job at least satisfactorily. Dilipcr is not the adjudicator here, the market aka the employer is. And...... the employer is making sure it is following the regulations prescribed by USCIS.
Cant believe I am using that word !!!.
What's not to believe? You just did!
In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
People don't view any statement that you're from a top college as egoistic. Ppl view it as egoistic when after 15-20 years out of college you still throw around your college name to make other people treat you differently. Dude, after 20 years people from various colleges are working with you, some doing a worse job than you and some better, colleges don't matter any more for the current job. It might have some influence in a new job.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
Why are you calling outsourcing companies scum? So do you call the companies that manufacture in China as scum too? I know tonnes of engineers from Infosys, TCS, Wipro and others who work for Google,Msft,Apple,Amazon etc etc. So now that these people have bathed in Ganga(google etc etc) their scum is washed off?
"the speed of market" -The outsourcing companies are part of the market. Yes the salaries have gone down, but that's according to the speed of the market, not due to some participants outside the market.
"committing pervasive fraud" - No US or foreign company will keep a company if the value proposition dosen't work for them. For Building a webpage or multi tiered web applications we don't need a rocket scientist. Hence, the market is paying what is deserved. Would you be able to keep a job if you don't perform in the US? Then why will an outsourcing company be treated differently?
Ok it seems lots of other people are also responding so I'll stop here. :D
Of course everyone who have worse qualifications(according to who??-> dilipcr ) are ordinary. Rest of the people are good. This is the same argument as "now that I have GC, let me come out and say retrogressions and less GCs are good, cuz I am qualified and I already have GC."
And yes I agree EB based GC is built by merit. Merit according to the employer who will keep paying the employee if the employee performs his job at least satisfactorily. Dilipcr is not the adjudicator here, the market aka the employer is. And...... the employer is making sure it is following the regulations prescribed by USCIS.
Cant believe I am using that word !!!.
What's not to believe? You just did!
In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
People don't view any statement that you're from a top college as egoistic. Ppl view it as egoistic when after 15-20 years out of college you still throw around your college name to make other people treat you differently. Dude, after 20 years people from various colleges are working with you, some doing a worse job than you and some better, colleges don't matter any more for the current job. It might have some influence in a new job.
Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.
Why are you calling outsourcing companies scum? So do you call the companies that manufacture in China as scum too? I know tonnes of engineers from Infosys, TCS, Wipro and others who work for Google,Msft,Apple,Amazon etc etc. So now that these people have bathed in Ganga(google etc etc) their scum is washed off?
"the speed of market" -The outsourcing companies are part of the market. Yes the salaries have gone down, but that's according to the speed of the market, not due to some participants outside the market.
"committing pervasive fraud" - No US or foreign company will keep a company if the value proposition dosen't work for them. For Building a webpage or multi tiered web applications we don't need a rocket scientist. Hence, the market is paying what is deserved. Would you be able to keep a job if you don't perform in the US? Then why will an outsourcing company be treated differently?
Ok it seems lots of other people are also responding so I'll stop here. :D
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485Mbe4001
06-01 02:26 PM
Generic lawsuits are not the answer. We should use the above information when we talk to the lawmakes and also use this as rebuttal to the anti's. Lets focus on recapture, venting is not going to help, lawsuits will only help make the lawyers richer(just look at the houses and cars of immigration lawyers ;))
SSA depends on different countries. People from Mexico and Sweden for example will not have this issue. India does not have a treaty with the US.
The only solution , to all our problems, is a LAWSUIT.
The earlier some one has the balls to do it , the better it is.
SSA depends on different countries. People from Mexico and Sweden for example will not have this issue. India does not have a treaty with the US.
The only solution , to all our problems, is a LAWSUIT.
The earlier some one has the balls to do it , the better it is.
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TeddyKoochu
09-15 07:35 AM
My dear friend, always you have to be hopeful, and cheerful.
If you want to build your hope look at people who are waiting with PDs in 2009.
This is a great thread. I don't know how real are the predictions, but this thread gives a great energy. lots of thanks to OP.
You are correct, being hopeful & cheerful is extremely important for all of us here. The spillover really holds the key as to how things would be moving.
If you want to build your hope look at people who are waiting with PDs in 2009.
This is a great thread. I don't know how real are the predictions, but this thread gives a great energy. lots of thanks to OP.
You are correct, being hopeful & cheerful is extremely important for all of us here. The spillover really holds the key as to how things would be moving.
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deepakd
07-11 01:24 PM
BharatPremi,
Same applies to you.. If you are so crazy about Bharat, what are you doing here.... HEHEHE. Just thought that it was kinda funny statement because of your name....BharatPremi --- :D
Guys
On the sameline, I think no one is crazy about anything but material wealth for self.
Take my example, GOV of India spent lot of money on me so that I get a degree from IIT and here I am in USA salivating over GC dreams.
If I would be kicked out of USA, I may move to Canada, if I kicked out of Canada then to Australia and it would continue............
Same applies to you.. If you are so crazy about Bharat, what are you doing here.... HEHEHE. Just thought that it was kinda funny statement because of your name....BharatPremi --- :D
Guys
On the sameline, I think no one is crazy about anything but material wealth for self.
Take my example, GOV of India spent lot of money on me so that I get a degree from IIT and here I am in USA salivating over GC dreams.
If I would be kicked out of USA, I may move to Canada, if I kicked out of Canada then to Australia and it would continue............
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m306m
02-14 01:48 PM
lazycis/hopefulgc I am willing to send $10 as a token of support for your initiative. I am impressed by your confidence and conviction. Let us form a new group and we will definitely get moral support from all good IV members. Personally I dont want to be plaintiff as I have too much to loose. But I support your group. Waiting for your direction.
I am willing to contribute $10 to get solid legal advice on this and I am willing to contribute a lot more in a lawsuit IF and ONLY IF there is a strong legal basis for it. I have voted NO on the poll, I would prefer we take a more conciliatory approach to USCIS. As the saying goes "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar." Having said that, if IV were to go ahead with the lawsuit, I could be counted on to contribute financially.
I appreciate IV for its efforts. Happy V'Day.
I am willing to contribute $10 to get solid legal advice on this and I am willing to contribute a lot more in a lawsuit IF and ONLY IF there is a strong legal basis for it. I have voted NO on the poll, I would prefer we take a more conciliatory approach to USCIS. As the saying goes "You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar." Having said that, if IV were to go ahead with the lawsuit, I could be counted on to contribute financially.
I appreciate IV for its efforts. Happy V'Day.
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Marphad
03-31 05:09 PM
Sanjay, just ignore them. These are the very same people who are taught from childhood to stab in back. They will not dare to put a post rather they type bad words in comments.
Here are the comments I got from people when I asked Marphad to add Modi name to the list.
* you racist hindu bastard...
* take this nonsense elsewhere
* xxxxxxx
* xxxx xxx.
* You get what you deserve. What's so "non-annonymous" about "sanjay"? You are now a minority in this country. Maybe Americans should treat you like Modi treats minorities. Maybe then you will understand the value of life. All life.
* ??
HUH ! ! ! Long live Democracy. And 18 people had polled for Modi as of now.
Here are the comments I got from people when I asked Marphad to add Modi name to the list.
* you racist hindu bastard...
* take this nonsense elsewhere
* xxxxxxx
* xxxx xxx.
* You get what you deserve. What's so "non-annonymous" about "sanjay"? You are now a minority in this country. Maybe Americans should treat you like Modi treats minorities. Maybe then you will understand the value of life. All life.
* ??
HUH ! ! ! Long live Democracy. And 18 people had polled for Modi as of now.
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EndlessWait
10-07 06:36 PM
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08-15 11:44 PM
Ok, if Kasab is cut into pieces - it does not help in anyway. Kasab is a "reqruit" and personally does not have a give/take on this.
Can we let him go then...? is there any guarantee they will not recruit more and massacre more? If its Israel already mosat would have taken the preparators. If its US, Pak would have been reduced to rubble.
But India is only good to serve the mutton briyani...God save India.
Can we let him go then...? is there any guarantee they will not recruit more and massacre more? If its Israel already mosat would have taken the preparators. If its US, Pak would have been reduced to rubble.
But India is only good to serve the mutton briyani...God save India.
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hiralal
06-02 10:16 PM
DO i = 1 to Infinity:
discuss /* lawsuits, letter campaign etc etc */.
discuss some more.
pessimists dismiss everything. /* start again */
End.
That's all that we do ...the same points again and again ...members get bored and they leave ..if only we were to start having numerous small campaigns !!! at the very least there would be some enthusiasm ..well maybe one day wishes will come true :rolleyes:
for every good point there are 100 naysayers, cynics and pessimists !!
discuss /* lawsuits, letter campaign etc etc */.
discuss some more.
pessimists dismiss everything. /* start again */
End.
That's all that we do ...the same points again and again ...members get bored and they leave ..if only we were to start having numerous small campaigns !!! at the very least there would be some enthusiasm ..well maybe one day wishes will come true :rolleyes:
for every good point there are 100 naysayers, cynics and pessimists !!
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mbartosik
02-13 04:45 PM
The level of commitment for those that would be plaintiffs, unlike the MI DL case would be a lot more, because USCIS could attempt to adjudicate their cases aggressively. The level of money would be significant. Think $200 per hour, for many man months of work. Without at least $50K in the pot with plenty more available I wouldn't even entertain it.
The level of time commitment is probably equivalent to obtaining 500 letters to the president.
So how about we have a pole.
First question is how much you are willing to contribute?
Are you willing to be a plaintiff with a $10K penalty for withdrawing?
Let's make that last question only open to those who have obtained or will obtain at least a 100 letters, and have already demonstrated willingness to travel to court hearings and depositions (like attending the DC rally and meeting law makers etc.).
I suspect that less than 10 people are qualified to vote to be plaintiffs, based on my commitment criteria and some of them already have GC or will likely have soon.
To put the effort into context both Walking_Dude and myself put a lot of effort into MI DL issue. We needed people with legal standing to sue. The two we had dropped out late, one on the day before filing complaint. I had put at least 40 hours working on this (but being in NY I don't have legal standing).
I've done litigation before, and done some Pro Se (latin on behalf of self - no attorney), believe me the litigation that you are talking of requires considerable time and commitment (unlike the MI DL issue which only required a few hours of the plaintiffs).
It would cut us off from USCIS. Once litigation starts you are burning your bridges. I can see only one practical way to do litigation, that is for an small group with no clear IV affiliation to do it, that instantly eliminates any committed members.
So let's stop talking about this and invest in letters.
The level of time commitment is probably equivalent to obtaining 500 letters to the president.
So how about we have a pole.
First question is how much you are willing to contribute?
Are you willing to be a plaintiff with a $10K penalty for withdrawing?
Let's make that last question only open to those who have obtained or will obtain at least a 100 letters, and have already demonstrated willingness to travel to court hearings and depositions (like attending the DC rally and meeting law makers etc.).
I suspect that less than 10 people are qualified to vote to be plaintiffs, based on my commitment criteria and some of them already have GC or will likely have soon.
To put the effort into context both Walking_Dude and myself put a lot of effort into MI DL issue. We needed people with legal standing to sue. The two we had dropped out late, one on the day before filing complaint. I had put at least 40 hours working on this (but being in NY I don't have legal standing).
I've done litigation before, and done some Pro Se (latin on behalf of self - no attorney), believe me the litigation that you are talking of requires considerable time and commitment (unlike the MI DL issue which only required a few hours of the plaintiffs).
It would cut us off from USCIS. Once litigation starts you are burning your bridges. I can see only one practical way to do litigation, that is for an small group with no clear IV affiliation to do it, that instantly eliminates any committed members.
So let's stop talking about this and invest in letters.
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unitednations
02-13 12:35 AM
Keep in mind that only unused visas in eb1 and eb2 row filter down to eb3.
Just about everybody from ROW is currently filing in eb2 and using up the visas and there is less to filter down to eb3.
AC21 re-allocated visas every quarter if the total demand was less then the total visas available. This is not currently the situation. Therefore, the visas won't filter down to eb3 which went unused. This gives a chance for people from ROW to keep filing in eb1 and eb2. In the last quarter is when you will see the jump, if any because the unused visas will get allocated at that time.(keep in mind that BEC's are also releasing labors - as far as I know the april 2001 labors from california have not been approved yet; and there are a great number from that state).
In the last year I know of at least three people and I imagine there are thousands more who did this:
They enter on visitors visas. Their I-94 card may be valid for 90 days or 180 days. They have a pre-arrangement with a company or relative to find a company who will file perm labor in eb2; file 140 and 485 and then stay and get their greencard this way. Since perm labors get approved very fast and ROW people are filing in eb2 then they are taking up the quota. Main requirement of filing 485 is one has to be in valid non immigrant status. Anyone who enters USA in non immigrant status (h-1, h-4, L-1, F-1, F-2, B-1/B-2, etc.) and can get a perm labor approved in eb2 and they are from row will get their greencard in less then six months.
Just about everybody from ROW is currently filing in eb2 and using up the visas and there is less to filter down to eb3.
AC21 re-allocated visas every quarter if the total demand was less then the total visas available. This is not currently the situation. Therefore, the visas won't filter down to eb3 which went unused. This gives a chance for people from ROW to keep filing in eb1 and eb2. In the last quarter is when you will see the jump, if any because the unused visas will get allocated at that time.(keep in mind that BEC's are also releasing labors - as far as I know the april 2001 labors from california have not been approved yet; and there are a great number from that state).
In the last year I know of at least three people and I imagine there are thousands more who did this:
They enter on visitors visas. Their I-94 card may be valid for 90 days or 180 days. They have a pre-arrangement with a company or relative to find a company who will file perm labor in eb2; file 140 and 485 and then stay and get their greencard this way. Since perm labors get approved very fast and ROW people are filing in eb2 then they are taking up the quota. Main requirement of filing 485 is one has to be in valid non immigrant status. Anyone who enters USA in non immigrant status (h-1, h-4, L-1, F-1, F-2, B-1/B-2, etc.) and can get a perm labor approved in eb2 and they are from row will get their greencard in less then six months.
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kittu1991
07-16 06:02 PM
EB2 is current now..."EB2 will be current within a year" gives an impression that EB2 which is not current will get current in one year...
He is talking about Eb2 India.
He is talking about Eb2 India.
eb3_nepa
10-23 04:17 PM
eb3_nepa, some people have the special ability to create business opportunities when others see none. E.g. Do you think a job at a primary school can be sold? Think again. You have to buy it in India. Another example... have you been to the Empire state building? For $12 you can wait in line for ~4 hours and enjoy the view after that. But for $40 you can go straight to the top. With labor sub its the same deal. Your company has an approved labor, there are 5 suckers who would otherwise wait 10 years in the GC line. They all do a great job of Java programming that you need your prospective employee to do. How do you decide which one to hire?
For some companies its easy.. they select the one who pays them a premium.
To your other question... no you cannot transfer approved labor to other company... so if you want to be in this business of labor subs, you have to go through the pains of labor before being able to sell one...
Some smart people have figured another great business. They go through the labor pains once and then clone the labor certs (hint: color copier)... those visionaries sometimes end up behind bars...
Thanks for the reply Amoljak,
Now if you can please remove all the sarcasm and explain this in more detail in laymen's terms, it would really help me. I mean how is it that atleast 10 members on this site have mentioned people selling and buying LCs LEGALLY! Were they bluffing or are we reading into the law wrongly?
Thanks
For some companies its easy.. they select the one who pays them a premium.
To your other question... no you cannot transfer approved labor to other company... so if you want to be in this business of labor subs, you have to go through the pains of labor before being able to sell one...
Some smart people have figured another great business. They go through the labor pains once and then clone the labor certs (hint: color copier)... those visionaries sometimes end up behind bars...
Thanks for the reply Amoljak,
Now if you can please remove all the sarcasm and explain this in more detail in laymen's terms, it would really help me. I mean how is it that atleast 10 members on this site have mentioned people selling and buying LCs LEGALLY! Were they bluffing or are we reading into the law wrongly?
Thanks
poorslumdog
08-18 11:33 PM
sorry, I love preaching.
by the way I was referring to "the guy who thinks americans think he is a slumdog...." not you or everyone. But then again you think that I think that you lead a life lower than average. If you think you agreed with me, instead of calling it obvious being defensive and, just agree with me. OK? And get that chip off your shoulder as well.
I think you think too much...by the way this is how you communicate in your office. American would think twice even come near to you...Good defence...:D
by the way I was referring to "the guy who thinks americans think he is a slumdog...." not you or everyone. But then again you think that I think that you lead a life lower than average. If you think you agreed with me, instead of calling it obvious being defensive and, just agree with me. OK? And get that chip off your shoulder as well.
I think you think too much...by the way this is how you communicate in your office. American would think twice even come near to you...Good defence...:D
