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  • cinqsit
    01-14 02:10 PM
    These rules has always been and so are they right now. Nothing is new in the memorandum. Some one publishes and one points and makes a comment and everyone else like a herd of sheep starts panicking...

    Right these are nothing new. They have been followed up (very well I should add) by USCIS consistently for over 2 years now

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  • okuzmin
    10-19 11:28 AM
    I just got my medical forms from Canadian Consulate in Buffalo. Our documents were accepted on December 8, 2005, and the letter that accompanied medical forms and request for updated documents (interview has been waived) is dated October 4, 2006. Heh, I wish USCIS had this kind of turnaround. :)





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  • alterego
    12-14 05:11 PM
    --What you said sounds very interesting. But it got me thinking, what if the merit is equally distributed by the country of origin and there is a limit to the opportunities this country can provide?


    Let us say there are 140,000 EB visas given every year. Based on pure merit and sans any regard to nationality. Don't you think it could potentially lead to more visas being consumed by one country?

    What if this country wants to ensure diversity to its social fabric?? How do they go about doing that? I always see EB1 as "current" for oversubscribed countries as well. In my opinion, EB3 "skilled category" and "other worker" is purely asking for OPPORTUNITY rather compete based on its merit.

    That is utterly preposterous.

    Take a teacher for instance. All he/she may qualify for is EB3. I know some teachers who are worth their weight in gold, they pour their heart and soul into teaching and their students benefit. Are you saying that because someone like that does not qualify for EB1, all they are doing is not wishing to compete on merit? Are you saying a teacher is not deserving of a green card? Understand that this is employment based green cards, for job skills and job performance that american employers decide.





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  • grupak
    02-13 12:24 PM
    For those who do not see the unfairness because of country of origin, here is a scenario:

    Your colleague and friend work in the same company as you, have similar qualification. Both of you apply for the GC around the same time, you get it years maybe decade sooner and can move onto a higher position, maybe better job. Your friend is still stuck at the same position even though he has been a good worker and should have been promoted in an ideal situation.

    We are here not because of our country of origin but because of our employment. So, lets not get into 'us' and 'them'. We are all skilled-employees, and that's what IV represents.

    A system that holds back employees for years because of country of origin instead of job performance is clearly broken. IV is fighting to fix it.

    (1) Increasing the visa numbers and (2) removing/increasing cap is only the solution.



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  • El_Guapo
    01-14 10:19 AM
    The right to control the beneficiary is different from actual control. An employer may have the right to control the beneficiary's job-related duties and yet not excercise actual control over each function performed by that beneficiary. The employer-employee relationship hinges on the right to control the beneficiary.

    Don't all companies have the right to control the beneficiary? For instance, a sponsoring company has every right to determine if an employee shall be placed on a project billed at $50/hr or if they seek another project/client with a higher billing rate. Similarly, the employer has every right to determine if the employee will be placed at a client requiring a project manager or at a client requiring a developer, thus effectively controlling the beneficiary's job-related duties!





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  • Pineapple
    12-14 03:37 PM
    To summarize the discussions on this thread:

    Yes, it is 7 % for all countries.

    Now it is manifestly obvious that the 7 % figure is arbitrary, and not fair. That much we can all agree on.

    The real question, as raised in the first post of the thread by soljabhai is:

    (A) Is that constitutional?
    (B) (And this is the real question): If it is, what should we do about it?

    Intelligent questions, both.
    The answer to (A) is not clear. We need a competent constitutional expert to opine on the matter.
    For (B), (which is what the thread is really all about), there are lively discussions with differing views.
    lazycis has presented good evidence that the case is not cut and dried legally. It might be unfair, but those are the laws.
    mbartosik, alterego, me and others have argued (from different angles) in terms of pragmatism. (Cost is not worth the benefit)
    garybanz, soljabhai, and others have argued that it is worth it (Cost is worth the benefit).

    Anyway, agree or disagree, its an interesting thread with interesting posts..



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  • bayarea07
    07-22 02:54 PM
    I would agree with you on this for normal people but not for amway folks, when you are continously being pushed to being on the verge of harrasment then i would think that every human being would behave the way as we do
    Moreover they are the ones who push people to behave that way.
    Respect is all give and take.


    I have been following this thread for last couple of days and I feel I need to make few points. I remember when this amway/qucikstar thing started several of my close friends got entangled and tried to involve me. However, every time I bailed myself out by clearly mentioning to them "Right now, making lot of money is not in my top priorities. I want to focus on my carrier." Fortunately, I was able to fend off the proposals and clearly make my point.

    In this thread, several of you are mentioning to ridicule, diminish, embarrass, and even socially out casting an amway/quickstar member. I feel its going a little bit too far. If you dont like to be in the amway/quickstar business stay clear of it, nobody will be able to force you in it. Setting up anti-amway websites, sharing names of the "bugging" amway members, distributing their phone numbers, and destroying their social reputation is harming the person personally, not the amway/quickstar business. We all know by now the amway/quickstar is a scam, majority of its signed members end up losing valuable time and money. How do you feel if some of your mentioned action emotionally push a distressed person off the cliff. Think about it a bit !!!





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  • immigrationvoice1
    02-14 12:22 PM
    I brought African countries not as scapegoats, but as examples of countries not colonized by Europeans. I didn't mean to insult anybody from Sierra Leone or Congo ;) But my point was that if there wouldn't be Europeans - there wouldn't be United States.

    Man... you can't bring some example, not to be accused of something... Come on guys.

    Happy Valentine's Day.

    ....and without them, we won't have World Wars, Cold Wars, Star Wars, Nuclear Bombs, Present Day wars, Apartheid, Colonialism etc etc etc.... too! ....way to go Europeans and people who immigrated to USA from Europe....

    Happy Valentine's Day!



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  • mihird
    10-09 04:24 PM
    what if both husband & wife get jobs and come here on TN vsia, then how does TD visa apply because both are working? is that possible for both to work in US without one getting into this TD tangle?

    db

    You won't get into the TD tangle similar to not getting into the H4 tangle if both are qualified, intending to work and qualify for their respective TNs..





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  • bobby
    07-04 12:51 PM
    My suggestions:
    "Door slams shut for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants in the US"
    "US closes the door for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants"
    "US isolates highly skilled legal immigrants"
    "Broken Legal immigration system harmful to US competitiveness"
    "Legal Immigration system in shambles"

    I had started working on a letter myself but will wait for yours....here's my initial scribbles fyi....

    Law abiding skilled legal immigrants persecuted by government misstep

    On 7/2/07 the door was slammed shut for many skilled legal immigrants without notice while only 2 weeks earlier these same legal immigrants had been notified that the final stage of their immigration i.e.: green card processing, could begin. This occurred not because these legal immigrants had not followed the rules but rather due to scandalous government actions. These actions have caused outrage & devastation amongst skilled legal immigrants and immigration attorneys alike who question the government�s credibility and the government�s disregard for precedent and the law. The results may be costly litigation and a class action lawsuit by the governing body, the American Immigration Lawyers Association against the government.

    Much focus has been placed on illegal immigrants in this country. Yet, the broken immigration system holds ominous consequences for skilled legal immigrants which the US needs to remain competitive and at the forefront of technological and medical development. The obsolete immigration laws do not address this need and government missteps further contribute to the persecution of law abiding skilled legal immigrants who wait patiently in line and live with severe restrictions for many years while their immigration cases are processed.

    ....I was going to continue with information on the visa bulleting and IV etc.....



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  • Macaca
    07-04 09:19 AM
     Age out situations with children
     Once a child turns 21 he/she can no longer be filed with the primary applicant. However, once the I485 is filed with USCIS the child is regarded as "safe" regardless of how long the USCIS takes to adjudicate the I485.

    I have that very situation. My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008.

    This is a HUGE issue if it is true. Can we verify it preferably with a URL?

    This is what I meant when I said that we should identify all the issues and worry about english later. BTW, this is what is taught in a writing course: outline first, english later.

    I have scanned most of the letters posted in thread. I will carefully scan them again and add their issues to my skelton.

    Most of the letters are missing or not stressing some HUGE points like above. These HUGE points are bold faced in the articles I post. Editorials have a lot of these so called punch lines.





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  • gc_aspirant_prasad
    07-10 11:23 AM
    ByeUsa - all the very best. May be I ll see you in Canada soon too.



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  • greatguy
    01-24 10:07 AM
    I think, it is too light a sentence for the crook





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  • sc3
    09-23 04:16 PM
    Did it occur for a single moment that if some one gets out of the line, the line gets shorter? F Y I, This is NOT about me. This is about every one here. I did not dream of this situation which directly favors some one today. Simply, Not many folks knew it was going to be this bad. Folks who knew, kept quiet telling people that its NOT that bad. There is NOT going to be a single solution that benefits every one involved here. Let it be recapture, country limits or advanced degree exemption. Choice is (y)ours. We can decide to be the frogs in the well and pull the next frog down or we can work on making this pitch which can be palatable to sensible people, who understand the magnanimity of the situation


    I am sorry, but ends do not justify the means. By calling people frogs in a well trying to pull down others, you are shutting down valid arguments and concerns.

    If the only mentality is that if one gets out of line, the line gets shorter, there are various ways to achieve it (For example: just go on a killing spree targeting all EB applicants). We need something that is acceptable to both the politicians and the immigrants.



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  • reddymjm
    09-23 03:30 PM
    Sending link to TX chapter now.

    RandyK (or any one from MI chapter) Can you send a link to Mi chapter too. I already fwded the link to friends at work.





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  • Rb_newsletter
    01-15 04:08 PM
    I agree Teddykoochu.

    Think what will happen if they woke up one fine morning and start another new interpretation of an existing law and then later they start doing it retroactively; just imagine the cascading effect.


    It does not matter which side of the ship is taking fire. It seems to me that people on the left side of the boat are happy that the firing is only on the right side, forgetting it is the ship as a whole which is taking fire.

    This only reminds me of the famous poem by Martin Niem�ller which goes like this.

    "First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out�because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out�because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me�and there was no one left to speak out."

    To get the gravity of the situation, substitute it with which ever suits you ! EAD/consulting H1/direct H1/AOS pending/485 not filed/EB3/2/1....etc etc.. Behind all these fancy terms, numbers and notations there are people, children and families who are going thru difficult situations.


    I don't have words to appreciate you. You explained it in one poem very very very well.

    Earlier they asked for ridiculous documents like photos with American colleagues, etc.
    Then they asked for client contract for 3 years, where no client sign a contract for more than 6 months in this uncertain world.
    Then they asked for work place fire safety approval docs.
    Then they sent contractors for work site visit.
    then 221g slips, PIMS delay, admin processing, technology alert, rfe for no reasons, H1-b extension for 3 months, back dated denial of H1,........
    Now they want to define the way of business practice.
    Later...only they know what they are going to do.



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  • Legal
    07-25 02:08 PM
    A question about the FB spillover: according to your data, there are about 30000 FB visa spillover from last year. But does USCIS have to use up all of them? If the answer is yes, then the September VB will very likely be current. If the USCIS only need to use up the 147000 EB and use whatever portion of the FB spillover, then September VB may not move.


    They can waste numbers and come up with excuses. But because of criticism from Ombudsman, Congress, etc it looks like they are trying to shape up. They can adjudicate 30 k petitions are more in 2 months if they are committed to. We could get an idea, if there is a deluge of approvals in the first half of August.





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  • BharatPremi
    07-13 11:49 AM
    All I'm saying is, there's good and bad everywhere, and Canada, always rates highly.

    Like you however, I'm here because I like it here. Frankly, after Canada, the weather in California is too hard to give up :)

    In the end, as you say, it's all objective.

    And who rates Canada highly? That requires a different forum for debating but I am just giving you the hint that it is international scam to rate it high.. That is the subject of politics and we would not start debating that at least on this forum..





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  • ivar
    08-15 03:27 AM
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    smisachu
    06-16 12:21 AM
    What is your qualification? I have been in this country maybe as long as you have been and can wager that I am more qualified than you educationally unless you will be publishing something which will win you the Noble. Still I am stuck because of this system. And I am not even in IT.
    If you cast a wide net you will catch good fish, some bad fish might come in but that is given in any sample population. If a smaller net is cast the chances of only netting bad fish will increase. Similarly if Visa numbers and per country quota are more then some really qualified people will get in, if not only "Multi National executives" who can program MS Dos will creep in under EB1.

    We need a visa recapture for any of this backlog to ever clear. And Darvin can go fry a fish for all I care.

    To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

    Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

    In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

    In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.





    vdlrao
    07-14 02:52 PM
    Your assumption does not hold good for this year. As someone else already pointed out USCIS processed 80 to 85% of year 2008 quoto already, it would have only 15 to 20K visa till october08. For next year, if still the horizontal overflow happens it would add more numbers.

    Nowhere i have seen in EB2 it goes beyond 50K except 2005(but there was AC21 implemented to recapture unused visa on 2005(Overall issued visa were 246,877.)

    EB-2 India would go back to some date in October 2008,but to what date is anybody's guess.Lack of data about EB2 India for 2003,2004 is preventing us from forecasting this.

    My guess for EB-2(I) for 2005 2006-MID JUNE EB2(I) is about 8000 from Perm Data.

    I assume it would move back to 2004 ARP or MID 2005 to start with in 2008 November.

    USCIS starts the Spill over normally after 6 months or 8 months. So to start year 2009 USCIS would have only 800 visa for first quarter for EB2-India.
    For first quarter EB2 India will have 1/4 of 9,800(7% of 140k visas), which are 2,450 visas. I wonder
    how u got 800 visas. I dont see much retrogression in EB2 dates other than some mild ones. And the dates move pretty fast on a whole.
    About EB3: it wont be like now all the time. The Immigration reform bill wont keep failing all the time. There would be a time for it to pass in the next two years. As soon as it passes all our Employment Based categories, specifically EB3, will get greatest benefit with PDs almost becoming current.